I have been making the point that it is normal to be upset when upsetting things occur. “Normal” doesn’t mean good or healthy, just what is expected under the circumstance. From that perspective, I explained Caroline screaming because her husband had been attacking her relentlessly, even waking her up at night to do so. I also explained Phil, her husband, and his jealousy from that perspective. His jealousy was a result of his insecurity which was a result of his relationship (or lack of one) to his parents growing up.